OH and the auto lawn-mowers have returned but only 5 so we may have lost a few.
YES that is the sides on just need a day or so off .
If you get Tennis Elbow building and sanding a boat is that called Boatitis of D'a elbow ?
Sunday, February 20, 2011
Post 8 update
I buggered up with a lot of the photos so will take some time to get it all settled down but the build continues so here is some of today's photos ...
OH and the auto lawn-mowers have returned but only 5 so we may have lost a few.
YES that is the sides on just need a day or so off .
If you get Tennis Elbow building and sanding a boat is that called Boatitis of D'a elbow ?
OH and the auto lawn-mowers have returned but only 5 so we may have lost a few.
YES that is the sides on just need a day or so off .
If you get Tennis Elbow building and sanding a boat is that called Boatitis of D'a elbow ?
Tuesday, February 15, 2011
Post 7 Start of strongback
As i said in the start all I am building this boat on is a bench so the next step has to put some strength into it so the ply will not flop all over the place.
So I start with a section of the 12mm ply sheet 400mm long by the width of the sheet 1200mm.
On to this I have glued and screwed a 1/4 round section (4 of these sections will produce a round pole that is 2in (50mm) across ) so that is the size when I put it on the sheet I allowed a bend into the center so that when it is in place on the bottom of the boat there is a small 1/4 in (6mm) concave.
The plan is that the boat becomes it's own strongback.
I also gave it a Tumblehome, This 1 is very pronounced as it is centered on the center of the bottom of the sheet, if you would like you can go straight up for the sides ( this may make the gunnel a bit weak as there is no strength in untorched ply) or if you like a less curve run your Tumblehome arc from the far side ..(again this may be weak).
OK the reason for the small concave in the bottom is that it is harder to lift the boat out of the water due to the suction of water until air gets in, (get a bucket ,dunk it in water turn it upside down and then lift it out of the water it will get heavy until it lets air in to replace the water)
It may not work on this boat (but it may help in a slight breeze when sailing to stop it tipping over as much) may be just a waist of time .
So now here is the next bit of may or may not work bit of dribble,...I am not putting the transom at the rear of the bottom sheet I am putting it with the 1/4 round section 1in (25mm) back from the end of the sheet that is the bottom.
Reason is that as a boat with a square to bottom transom moves along the water passing under the boat will jump up at the transom and hold the boat as it forms small eddies (in my theory that holds the boat back) so this trailing edge may just get rid of my perceived problem. (tell you when I get it in the water).
Blog is playing up so will post photos later if this saves...
So I start with a section of the 12mm ply sheet 400mm long by the width of the sheet 1200mm.
On to this I have glued and screwed a 1/4 round section (4 of these sections will produce a round pole that is 2in (50mm) across ) so that is the size when I put it on the sheet I allowed a bend into the center so that when it is in place on the bottom of the boat there is a small 1/4 in (6mm) concave.
The plan is that the boat becomes it's own strongback.
I also gave it a Tumblehome, This 1 is very pronounced as it is centered on the center of the bottom of the sheet, if you would like you can go straight up for the sides ( this may make the gunnel a bit weak as there is no strength in untorched ply) or if you like a less curve run your Tumblehome arc from the far side ..(again this may be weak).OK the reason for the small concave in the bottom is that it is harder to lift the boat out of the water due to the suction of water until air gets in, (get a bucket ,dunk it in water turn it upside down and then lift it out of the water it will get heavy until it lets air in to replace the water)
It may not work on this boat (but it may help in a slight breeze when sailing to stop it tipping over as much) may be just a waist of time .
So now here is the next bit of may or may not work bit of dribble,...I am not putting the transom at the rear of the bottom sheet I am putting it with the 1/4 round section 1in (25mm) back from the end of the sheet that is the bottom.
Reason is that as a boat with a square to bottom transom moves along the water passing under the boat will jump up at the transom and hold the boat as it forms small eddies (in my theory that holds the boat back) so this trailing edge may just get rid of my perceived problem. (tell you when I get it in the water).
Blog is playing up so will post photos later if this saves...
Sunday, February 13, 2011
Post #6 the teardrop build
http://mikenchell.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32207&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
That project took a bit longer than this will (I HOPE)
That project took a bit longer than this will (I HOPE)
post 5
You will notice from the last post that the sides of the sheet of ply were precut before I did the Bow stitch and glue.
I got the shape by using some of the Meranti (12 x 25mm) lengths that were to become the minor keels, I did clamp a length along the side of the bottom sheet for about 1/2 the distance from the Aft then bent it towards the center until it was about 300mm from the now cut section at (F), drew a line ( again some lofting ) cut this section off and just placed it on the other side and copied it and cut off the other side,.This is only a rough cut as the timber length will be later glued and screwed on to the bottom and then any overhang of ply can be removed.
So now I will put on the Main keel
I got the shape by using some of the Meranti (12 x 25mm) lengths that were to become the minor keels, I did clamp a length along the side of the bottom sheet for about 1/2 the distance from the Aft then bent it towards the center until it was about 300mm from the now cut section at (F), drew a line ( again some lofting ) cut this section off and just placed it on the other side and copied it and cut off the other side,.This is only a rough cut as the timber length will be later glued and screwed on to the bottom and then any overhang of ply can be removed.
So now I will put on the Main keelSaturday, February 12, 2011
post 4
So now , because of post 3 you know where I am aiming .
Now back to that bit of stitch and glue.
so when you have all the bits of copper twisted off ,cut off any excess copper wire, now get 2 hammers put one under each wire join and tap with the other on the top so that you flatten the wire into the wood a BIT then put some masking tape along the bottom of the joint and then I used this after wetting down the joint.
I used a spray bottle to get the joint wet gave it a few seconds and then just ran the glue along the joint after a while it starts to foam up and even pushed the tape on the underside away from the joint.
This will go off hard as nails but will cut and sand and paint.
Now back to that bit of stitch and glue.
so when you have all the bits of copper twisted off ,cut off any excess copper wire, now get 2 hammers put one under each wire join and tap with the other on the top so that you flatten the wire into the wood a BIT then put some masking tape along the bottom of the joint and then I used this after wetting down the joint.
I used a spray bottle to get the joint wet gave it a few seconds and then just ran the glue along the joint after a while it starts to foam up and even pushed the tape on the underside away from the joint.
This will go off hard as nails but will cut and sand and paint.
Friday, February 11, 2011
2nd post
OK I put a few photos of this boat build on my Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1842760746879&set=a.1842753706703.135402.1176411887#!/profile.php?id=1176411887
Dam that's a big www.spot.
Now there is no Strong back to build this boat on, the idea is that the bottom sheet of ply when cut and braced with the keels will hold the whole thing together .
I have a work bench to build on it is an 8ft x 4ft deck (bench) but it is only as high as my knuckles on a closed fist.
Let me explain.. A Blacksmith uses an anvil to work on and the height of his anvil top is equal to where his knuckles would be on a closed fist with his arm straight down his side, so stand up straight put your arm down the side of your body close your fist and where your knuckles are is the best working height for any bench you need to work on,..E.G. best height to place a bit of timber to hand saw at ( get a set of saw horses and they will be very close as they are made at an average mans height to his knuckles) Now you may be a bit shorter or even a bit taller than what some saw horse maker feels is average but you will be close.
Anyway enough dribble.
Take 1 of the 4mm sheets of ply and find the centre line lengthwise give or take a smidge and draw with a straight edge a line down the middle of the sheet. photo above is wrong as it should say 601mm to the side. (not sure where I got the 300 from)
Next find a spot next to the line and at 1 end write (F) now you have the Front end of the sheet or BOW.
Now from the (F) on the line mark a spot on the line 600mm back down the sheet.
Get out a saw and cut this line from(F) to the spot 600mm down the sheet.
So I missed the photo of the saw cut (sorry).
next put a small nail into the point where the cut finished and then back at (F) put a nail 150mm either side of the line (that's where the 300mm came from) now take a thin bit of wood longer than the length between the nails at(F) and the nail at the end of the cut, (this bit of wood has to be flexible) draw a straight line from the nails find the center of the line from the centre point mark a point 12mm towards the center line of the sheet (where the saw cut is)then replace the bit of timber and push the center of the timber (where the center of the line is )and bow it until it touches the point 12mm out now run a pencil along what is a new line (giving you a small curve, do the same on the other side again drawing the new curve line.
Now cut along both of these new lines (jig saw or in my case a Japanese saw Very Flexable)).
Now as you can see in the above photo you cut off 150 mm right across the sheet at the (F) end.
next get some strong cable ties and drill 6 holes down what is left of the main sheet first is 50mm from (F) and the next 2 are 100mm apart.
Make the holes just big enough to take the zip ties.
Pull the sheet up so the two cuts meet, pull up the zip's and bingo you have a nice little curve up to the bow of your hull.
I then got some fine copper wire and drilled a series of holes next to each other either side of the join, cut the wire into small sections (lengths) and just put either end of the wire up through the holes and twist tight with a pair of pliers.
and it now looks like this..
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1842760746879&set=a.1842753706703.135402.1176411887#!/profile.php?id=1176411887
Dam that's a big www.spot.
Now there is no Strong back to build this boat on, the idea is that the bottom sheet of ply when cut and braced with the keels will hold the whole thing together .I have a work bench to build on it is an 8ft x 4ft deck (bench) but it is only as high as my knuckles on a closed fist.
Let me explain.. A Blacksmith uses an anvil to work on and the height of his anvil top is equal to where his knuckles would be on a closed fist with his arm straight down his side, so stand up straight put your arm down the side of your body close your fist and where your knuckles are is the best working height for any bench you need to work on,..E.G. best height to place a bit of timber to hand saw at ( get a set of saw horses and they will be very close as they are made at an average mans height to his knuckles) Now you may be a bit shorter or even a bit taller than what some saw horse maker feels is average but you will be close.
Anyway enough dribble.
Take 1 of the 4mm sheets of ply and find the centre line lengthwise give or take a smidge and draw with a straight edge a line down the middle of the sheet. photo above is wrong as it should say 601mm to the side. (not sure where I got the 300 from)
Next find a spot next to the line and at 1 end write (F) now you have the Front end of the sheet or BOW.
Now from the (F) on the line mark a spot on the line 600mm back down the sheet.
Get out a saw and cut this line from(F) to the spot 600mm down the sheet.
So I missed the photo of the saw cut (sorry).next put a small nail into the point where the cut finished and then back at (F) put a nail 150mm either side of the line (that's where the 300mm came from) now take a thin bit of wood longer than the length between the nails at(F) and the nail at the end of the cut, (this bit of wood has to be flexible) draw a straight line from the nails find the center of the line from the centre point mark a point 12mm towards the center line of the sheet (where the saw cut is)then replace the bit of timber and push the center of the timber (where the center of the line is )and bow it until it touches the point 12mm out now run a pencil along what is a new line (giving you a small curve, do the same on the other side again drawing the new curve line.
Now cut along both of these new lines (jig saw or in my case a Japanese saw Very Flexable)).
Now as you can see in the above photo you cut off 150 mm right across the sheet at the (F) end.
next get some strong cable ties and drill 6 holes down what is left of the main sheet first is 50mm from (F) and the next 2 are 100mm apart.
Make the holes just big enough to take the zip ties.Pull the sheet up so the two cuts meet, pull up the zip's and bingo you have a nice little curve up to the bow of your hull.
I then got some fine copper wire and drilled a series of holes next to each other either side of the join, cut the wire into small sections (lengths) and just put either end of the wire up through the holes and twist tight with a pair of pliers.
and it now looks like this..
Thursday, February 10, 2011
1st Post
OK let me explain what it is that I am doing here.
1st off I want a small Boat that will get me on the water if I want to be, I have a old 2hp Honda outboard from way back so I have 1 way of getting around on the water.
A sail would be nice (that way I could learn to sail).
Now here is the problem ('s)
1...Every boat on the web with plans and directions on how to build it has a $ sign in the heading.
2...I'm all for what the web was to be ..Free transfer of information across the planet, not a very big "How to get rich" scheme, OK everybody wants to get rich or just get a better lifestyle and that is fair enough me I just want (at present) a small boat.
So I am going to build a Boat, being that my income is not huge and that I have a few skills picked up over this 48 years of life so far I am going to give it a try.
Come along for the ride if you want or go and get some real plans and real directions and pay some $'s and have some fun (both in the build and in the or on the Water).
So what do I want in a small boat?
Something that floats would be a good start, easy to carry (LIGHT) about the 8ft mark (less sheets of ply and no scarfing) motor, row or sail, Row is out for me as I buggered both my arms a few years ago and even after surgury I still have limited use of both.
Now I have built a few plywood projects before (well 3 Teardrop Camper Trailers)(one is on the web like this and when I find the link I will post it for you) and I did work in a boat yard for about 18mts about 20 years ago.
Another thing is that even with Global warming water is still shallow in a lot of places so I don't want some drop down Keel (centerboard) so I am giving this boat 5 keels so as it leans over in the wind at least 2 or 3 of them will still be in the water and the Main 1 will only be 4in's deep, but any 3 will have a larger surface area than some dagger hanging 2ft under the boat.
Yes if you get it to the point of only 1 left in the water you will be well on the way to getting very wet.
The bottom of the boat will be slightly concave so as to act in conjunction with the keels as a way of getting air under the boat when in motor mode to help a small motor get on the plane.
The front of the boat is 1 big air pocket (with holes to let the water out) full of little airpockets or in this case 1.25l Plastic bottles so it cant sink ( so start saving if you are going to follow this build).
You will need 3 sheets of Marine ply ...2 x 4mm and 1 x 12mm. all 8ft by 4ft.(1200mm x 2400mm)
My local hardware had a choice of either Meranti or Tassy Oak for the rest, I went with the Meranti as it is light and will bend WITHOUT A STEAMER as there are some neat bends in the ply to give it a nice Bow along the lines of the small sailing prams on the web.
There is about 2ft of stitch and glue in this design (but that is only to hold it together till the main Keel goes on).
And there is a new glue out there that goes off with moisture? yep you have to wet the wood before you put on the glue ( sounds OK for a boat :) ).
Now at this point I am designing the boat as I build so Drawings will come later. (not in this post)
There is no fiberglass in this boat it is to be plain old paint and look after it.
You can if you want Glass the bottom if you want or all the whole thing but that is just added weight in my eyes and defeats the design ideas.
At this point I have built the bottom and even got as far as a good coat of primer-undercoat and now I am playing with the sides.
Yes I have made a few mistakes but that is part of the learning curve and you will get to see them ( WARTS AND ALL ).That means you can miss out on some of the F*##$#% Bugger type language.
Oh and I gave her a Tumblehome Transom like those great Italian motor boats. (may help if I ever need to paddle as the top (gunnel) is just a bit closer.
Seat ...? ...well I plan to have a small one that runs lengthways so I stay in the middle (I don't want to swim if I don't have too).
So this is the first post (RAVE)..I will more than likely edit this at some stage who knows?
1st off I want a small Boat that will get me on the water if I want to be, I have a old 2hp Honda outboard from way back so I have 1 way of getting around on the water.
A sail would be nice (that way I could learn to sail).
Now here is the problem ('s)
1...Every boat on the web with plans and directions on how to build it has a $ sign in the heading.
2...I'm all for what the web was to be ..Free transfer of information across the planet, not a very big "How to get rich" scheme, OK everybody wants to get rich or just get a better lifestyle and that is fair enough me I just want (at present) a small boat.
So I am going to build a Boat, being that my income is not huge and that I have a few skills picked up over this 48 years of life so far I am going to give it a try.
Come along for the ride if you want or go and get some real plans and real directions and pay some $'s and have some fun (both in the build and in the or on the Water).
So what do I want in a small boat?
Something that floats would be a good start, easy to carry (LIGHT) about the 8ft mark (less sheets of ply and no scarfing) motor, row or sail, Row is out for me as I buggered both my arms a few years ago and even after surgury I still have limited use of both.
Now I have built a few plywood projects before (well 3 Teardrop Camper Trailers)(one is on the web like this and when I find the link I will post it for you) and I did work in a boat yard for about 18mts about 20 years ago.
Another thing is that even with Global warming water is still shallow in a lot of places so I don't want some drop down Keel (centerboard) so I am giving this boat 5 keels so as it leans over in the wind at least 2 or 3 of them will still be in the water and the Main 1 will only be 4in's deep, but any 3 will have a larger surface area than some dagger hanging 2ft under the boat.
Yes if you get it to the point of only 1 left in the water you will be well on the way to getting very wet.
The bottom of the boat will be slightly concave so as to act in conjunction with the keels as a way of getting air under the boat when in motor mode to help a small motor get on the plane.
The front of the boat is 1 big air pocket (with holes to let the water out) full of little airpockets or in this case 1.25l Plastic bottles so it cant sink ( so start saving if you are going to follow this build).
You will need 3 sheets of Marine ply ...2 x 4mm and 1 x 12mm. all 8ft by 4ft.(1200mm x 2400mm)
My local hardware had a choice of either Meranti or Tassy Oak for the rest, I went with the Meranti as it is light and will bend WITHOUT A STEAMER as there are some neat bends in the ply to give it a nice Bow along the lines of the small sailing prams on the web.
There is about 2ft of stitch and glue in this design (but that is only to hold it together till the main Keel goes on).
And there is a new glue out there that goes off with moisture? yep you have to wet the wood before you put on the glue ( sounds OK for a boat :) ).
Now at this point I am designing the boat as I build so Drawings will come later. (not in this post)
There is no fiberglass in this boat it is to be plain old paint and look after it.
You can if you want Glass the bottom if you want or all the whole thing but that is just added weight in my eyes and defeats the design ideas.
At this point I have built the bottom and even got as far as a good coat of primer-undercoat and now I am playing with the sides.
Yes I have made a few mistakes but that is part of the learning curve and you will get to see them ( WARTS AND ALL ).That means you can miss out on some of the F*##$#% Bugger type language.
Oh and I gave her a Tumblehome Transom like those great Italian motor boats. (may help if I ever need to paddle as the top (gunnel) is just a bit closer.
Seat ...? ...well I plan to have a small one that runs lengthways so I stay in the middle (I don't want to swim if I don't have too).
So this is the first post (RAVE)..I will more than likely edit this at some stage who knows?
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